Curse

enter_the_zone · Feb 24, 2012, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Been in the game six years, I know I'm probably richer than average but way, way poorer than a lot of people. I've got enough to get me to 50/50 (done already), my brother to 50/50 and a mate of ours to 30/50 (also done) and still have some spare stuff to think about doing my 2nd and 3rd account up to 30/50. That's enough for me.

Reformed · Feb 24, 2012, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quest rewards have gotten outrageous compared to what they were in '05/'06. WoC alone if done completely on a single character will easily break 100k. The average player today would be considered well off by the game's original standards so it's all relative.

Mintha Syl · Feb 24, 2012, 07:12 PM // 19:12

It's really hard to tell for spenders, I don't like hoarding money so as soon as I have enough for a new armor I want I spend on that, I open almost all chests so a lot goes on that as well, plus some weapons, runes tomes and stuff...I end up always having around 20k per char in inventory but could never estimate how much I gained in those years. If you also count all the things you gift/trash instead of selling...even harder.
On average though, I think zaishens helped a lot to increase the game's wealth. Not many do SCs and farms, but everybody (even a lvl 6 in proph now with embark beach) can do zaishens while normally playing through campaigns, and that's a lot of extra cash, I'd say.

Genius Was Revrac · Feb 24, 2012, 08:11 PM // 20:11

80 months/10.5k hours

4000 ecto
1000 ecto in misc. items
6 Obsidian Sets
8 Chaos Gloves
GWaMM
Rank 10 Zaishen

Not trying to brag and yes all of this was earned mainly doing 4xAccount farming.

All of this and I feel poor when I see people bidding 400-1000 armbraces on the uber high end mini's.

To answer this thread 150k cash+500k in misc items/armor would be the "average" player. However, the definition is quite arbitrary and no parameters have been set to define the term "average".

**cosyfiep** · Feb 24, 2012, 09:17 PM // 21:17

on hand....not enough to buy a full set of elite armor

...however, I do have lots of stacks of : plague idols, margonite masks, seeds, jaws, etc etc etc...which could add up (packrat ya'know)...most of my characters have more than one set of elite armor, WITHOUT a sup vigor (only had about 4 drop for me in the years I have played).....dont have ectos (and no fow armor--its ugly)....only a few rubies/sapphires (treasure drops mostly). And NO gwamm character (do have a few over with over 15 titles--and never bought ANY party/sweet/alcohol points--only used what dropped or nic gave me).

If I were to sell off everything ('cept the green weapons as the value is only 35g) I would have quite a lot--but no cash on hand (or ectos, not a single armbrace....) to speak of.

Flameseeker · Feb 24, 2012, 09:23 PM // 21:23

My money really depends on the time of the year.
Since i don't SC (no stacks of ectos/armbraces for me) it all ends up on seasonal events. On christmas or halloween i can easily break the xunlai + my chars limits and then just spend it in whatever i want (minis and zkeys mostly).

Counting everything i have from 6 years of gameplay (~6k hours) should be around 1-2M adding perhaps another 2-3M if i count what i wouldn't/couldn't ever sell. Still i think i would be way bellow the average since there's players that completely tip of the scales.

_Aphotic_ · Feb 24, 2012, 10:08 PM // 22:08

~1200 Hours/31 Months

(Before recently getting Obby)
160 ecto
~100 zKeys
~500k in Storage
~50 Champ Strongboxes (sell 5k-1e each)
~50 Glad Strongboxes (5k each)

I feel pretty average; 500k is a solid amount to spend in any situation and even with my recent dip in funds with my brand new obby (I'm broke atm), I still can PvP all my funds back up...

tonini · Feb 24, 2012, 10:34 PM // 22:34

i would think after 3 years for the avg player u wud at least have accumulated 1000k including all the items, weapons, armors, titles uv spent gold on

although i cnt recall what i had 3 years into playing..

Dayquil · Feb 24, 2012, 10:53 PM // 22:53

I have ~2yrs on my main account:

~850k in storage
~50k across char's - cash
~65ectos /cry
~0 armbraces /cry
a few elite armors
7 hero elite armors + runes/insigs
a few "farming" gear sets + runes/insigs
a few dest/oppy weapons

I would consider myself at or around average. I sure do feel hella poor compared to all the WTB/WTS I see in Kama....400+e for a mini makes my heart sad.

fog_of_redoubt · Feb 24, 2012, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

If I can remember correctly, the average was about 20K or so a few years ago.

Now it's probably a bit more, since there's less things to buy left and more ways to earn it.

I can go do a solo UW run and in an hour or so have 4-6 ecto with a value of 20-30k...

How can the avg player playing for 3+ years have less than I can make in 2 hours?

Essence Snow · Feb 24, 2012, 11:56 PM // 23:56

I know my 5mil est. seems terribly high to most...but I keep thinking that even afking festivals one can net 30-50k for each(4 per year...3yrs so 12)...drops in one mish 2-5k (13 cantha,25 tyria,20 elona so 58)...10 free z keys, 12 free minis (4 toons 3yrs), quest/mish rewards 500g-2.5k, etc etc...it all adds up. Going by the 3yrs of play, including moneys spent on titles, amors, minis, etc....I think a lot of ppl are low-balling it.

T-Strudel · Feb 25, 2012, 12:09 AM // 00:09

I don't think it's feasible to try and estimate the wealth of the "Average" player on a game forum. Most people who post here actually care more about their account than the average player, do more farming, and are usually willing to buy the higher end items and will generally have "more."

That being said, gold spent V.S. gold saved, is a hard thing to keep track of, unless you still have all your items. Like how many times did you spend 1k at a skill trainer? Or how many times have you re-dyed an armor piece, stuff like that factors in, but I don't think anyone keeps track of that.

I'd say, if I have to guess, around 75-100k in gold at least, and who knows how many mats/dye/anything else.

Ewon · Feb 25, 2012, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I'm thinking the average would be 500k-2mil. Its a bit of a range, but so would what we can call an average player. tbh, I think the 2mil might be kinda low these days. Anyone sitting with 100k or less, just look at all the runes, armor, weapons, titles you have spent money on.

If we look at the most recent content, Winds of Change, you get 50k pure gold + lockpicks, gems, and various other items making up for over 100k. I believe the average player is going to complete all content atleast one time (in nm), so the average should easily hit 100k+.

The average is only going up with how easy it is to make gold these days, the lack of new items to spend on, and the casual players are really starting to diminish in this game.

chaosincarnate87 · Feb 25, 2012, 12:39 AM // 00:39

..maybe im wrong... and i often am... but i feel a lot of people are lowballing it purely because they want to feel they've done more than the average player... i'll admit after 3 years i was NOWHERE near where i am now as monetary issues are addressed but... I know even though i probably played maybe 20 hours a week, i still know at TODAY's games rate... 5-10 million is easily obtainable to the casual gamer so long as they don't sit around asking "omfg how do people get monies" and take advantage of the wiki resources...

enter_the_zone · Feb 25, 2012, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by chaosincarnate87

..maybe im wrong... and i often am... but i feel a lot of people are lowballing it purely because they want to feel they've done more than the average player... i'll admit after 3 years i was NOWHERE near where i am now as monetary issues are addressed but... I know even though i probably played maybe 20 hours a week, i still know at TODAY's games rate... 5-10 million is easily obtainable to the casual gamer so long as they don't sit around asking "omfg how do people get monies" and take advantage of the wiki resources...

I actually doubt that people are lowballing it, but it depends on how you define average. If you chop off the 1000 lowest, 1000 highest and then do a simple "total game money/assets" / number of accounts, it's probably about 10k per account, largely because of the massive number of abandoned accounts.

If you did the same thing on the active playerbase (say regularly 15 hours or more a week), it's probably more like a million, all in.

Also, the belief that the average player would have completed WoC, WiK or HoTN is just plain flawed. Who can be bothered with that difficult shit, seriously? WiK bounties, Nick's gifts and some event farming are about all I can be bothered with, and I speak for 8 accounts, since I'm the only one who plays them anymore.

RedDog91 · Feb 25, 2012, 02:04 AM // 02:04

6 year player
I have never done a speed clear
I do an average of 1 elite area run per 2 weeks.
I do not farm at all except for items Nicholas the Traveler is collecting, and I only farm what I need
565k in storage
each of my 8 characters is holding at least 15k, one is holding 50k
about 700k has been spent on the elite armors for my characters.

So In six years, I've equated about 1.5mil gold without doing anything above just barely getting by to acquire it.
And I spent 4 of those years with less than 150k total wealth to my name.

Flameseeker · Feb 25, 2012, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaosincarnate87

..maybe im wrong... and i often am... but i feel a lot of people are lowballing it purely because they want to feel they've done more than the average player... i'll admit after 3 years i was NOWHERE near where i am now as monetary issues are addressed but... I know even though i probably played maybe 20 hours a week, i still know at TODAY's games rate... 5-10 million is easily obtainable to the casual gamer so long as they don't sit around asking "omfg how do people get monies" and take advantage of the wiki resources...

Don't take personally what i'll say but i don't think those amounts of money are for regular/casual players, more like elite farmers and power traders (if you meant those values in short term i mean).
Not everyone likes doing SCs even if that meant making money at ridiculous speed (or is that just me?).
I actually prefer to watch series/movies while farming feathers/raptors or going through the campaign with another char. After SCing both lux and kurz titles my patience and attention span for high end farm just went down to zero. (faction farm isn't high end but we made a lot of competitions between guilds in the alliance back then which would end at several hours in a row of repetitive play)
But then again i'm already 50/50 playing around with the extended HoM just waiting for the release of gw2 and that might influence my judgment while comparing to the new guys in the community.

Regarding the average, and not counting the people who left, i would put it at the lowest possible value around 10-20M.
Some of those who haven't left have an incredible amount of wealth surpassing by far 10-100x that value by just having some ultra-rare minis.
There's also a hand full of high end farming guilds that keep a steady flow of ectos and armbraces. The same for pvp with their exclusive rewards. (I don't have much knowledge in this area so dunno if the term high end pvp still applies)

Anyway in the end it will be impossible to assess the real average because the game is still evolving and there aren't enough gold sinkers to balance the increasing amounts of gold entering the game. Even if my estimate was correct at the beginning of my reply it could i fact be much higher when i finally click the submit button.

Mintha Syl · Feb 25, 2012, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by T-Strudel

Like how many times did you spend 1k at a skill trainer? Or how many times have you re-dyed an armor piece, stuff like that factors in, but I don't think anyone keeps track of that

That's a very good point. I think just buying all skills once is worth millions, but you usually do it slowly in time so you don't notice much, who counts that? Just by doing elite skill hunter I remember how fast money went away, and had to stop everytime cause I was out of money to buy signets (and it happened a lot).

MithranArkanere · Feb 26, 2012, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

I can go do a solo UW run and in an hour or so have 4-6 ecto with a value of 20-30k...

How can the avg player playing for 3+ years have less than I can make in 2 hours?

* Because they spend it as soon as they have enough for another item in their HoM, like another armor, another weapon, another hero armor or another miniature, or just more sweets, booze and party paraphernalia.
* Because the automated survey they made probably didn't count materials, just storage gold, so it wouldn't matter how many globs of ectoplasm they had in their storage.
* Because the average player doesn't spend that much time getting to know UW. They are busy getting actual titles like Vanquisher, Carthographer and Guardian. You can't farm ectos to buy those. Some ask sometimes about farming UW, but that's usually when they are going for the Obsidian armor, and many only go in balanced or full something-way teams, or as some extra profession that doesn't matter much what they are as long as they stay behind and add some damage.

Kernave · Feb 26, 2012, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Been playing over 5 years but consistently 3/4 times a week over the past 2 years and I have 4 ectos and 300plat. Don't see how you lot do it!

edit:1014hours racked up!